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NOAA’S ARK

Posted on: March 15, 2020

 

 

 

The pre-flood and pre-coal world was marked by abundance, health, and prosperity. The average human lifespan lasted many hundreds of years, and the climate across the globe was temperate and pleasant. Unfortunately, mankind took advantage of this blissful lifestyle, and the use of dirty coal dug up from under the ground became rampant.

 

 

  1. The carbon in coal, though made innocently with plant photosynthesis, is made with carbon that was taken out of the atmosphere millions of years ago. And since the Coal Revolution of the Preflood World, man had been taking coal out of the ground and using it for fuel. The burning of coal has released very very old carbon back into the atmosphere a lot faster than the plants and the oceans can take it out of the atmosphere. Bit by bit it was moving atmospheric CO2 up from 280 ppm in the blissful pre-flood pre-coal days to above 400 ppm.
  2. But, with the exception of a few select Environmentally-Conscious and Planet-Loving individuals, the society that indulged in coal burning was led down the wrong path into climate denial, idolatry, and incest. This all came to a head in the year 1536 of Creation (2225 BCE), when God put together His Incest Action Plan and foretold of the horrible events that would come to pass in terms of floods, drought, killer storms, wildfires, and sea level rise if the Incest Budget of the Paris Incest Agreement Plan was not obeyed.
  3. NOAA is a righteous and upright climate science organization and God instructed NOAA on what to do about the sea level rise issue. He told NOAA that the only way to save the planet was to build an Ark large enough to hold two of each species on earth including humans and to put them all on the Ark which will float on the sea level rise. God gave exact instructions on how the ark was to be built. It was to comprise three stories: the top for NOAA climate scientists and their families; the middle for the human couple to be saved and for the animals; and the bottom for trash to ensure that no plastic shall be left behind in the ocean. It was to measure 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits in width, and 30 in height.  Electric power for the ark would be provided by wind turbines so the ark can have light and heat and power for air conditioners, heaters, refrigerators, and microwave ovens.
  4. It took NOAA climate scientists 120 days to build the Ark, allowing plenty of time for onlookers to query their actions and for them to be told of the impending sea level rise and to cut emissions from coal burning but unfortunately, such climate action never came to pass. Finally, in the year 1656 (2105 BCE), The West Antarctic Ice Sheet disintegrated and collapsed just as NOAA had foretold and rapid and irreversible sea level rise began just as NOAA had foretold and which the climate deniers and sinners had denied.
  5. After the seventeenth day of the collapse of the WAIS the sea level  rose steadily and irreversibly for forty decades until the face of the earth was entirely submerged, covering the summits of the highest mountains. Finally, the sea level rise subsided, but the waters continued to churn under violent tropical cyclones of unprecedented intensity and destructiveness that had formed in all six cyclone basins. After this period of time, the oceans were calm and the sea slowly began to return to its pre-Flood and pre-coal level.
  6. NOAA sent out a raven and then a dove on a mission to survey the earth and to report on the sea level and climate condition of the planet and the birds returned with positive signs indicating that the planet and the climate had stabilized. It was thus that on the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei of the year 1657 (2104 BCE), the sea level and the climate had fully returned to their pre-Flood pre-coal conditions so that NOAA and the breeding pairs of all the species on earth including humans disembarked to begin the long task of re-populating the earth.

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POSTSCRIPT: ABOUT THE ANCIENT GLOBAL FLOOD EVENT FOUND IN SCRIPTURES

The Noachian Flood found in Genesis is also found in older scriptures as for example the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Epic of Atrahasis. Although these are supposedly global events their geographical reference of the authors are different. The paleo data show that these ancient stories may be derived from real events and that therefore the Noachian Flood may have been real. The evidence is a reference not to the flood itself but to the death of all life on earth by the flood which is the stated objective of the flood in Genesis.

If you dig down deep enough sufficient evidence will be found of living matter that was once covered with sea water but they are not at the same depth in different geographical regions and therefore they do not indicate a single global event. Also it is unlikely that the flood was caused by rain. In any case, the point of this postscript is that the Noachian Flood of the ancients has been studied and many papers have been published on the question of whether these ancient flood tales are derived real events. Below we provide a brief bibliography on this topic. 

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THE RELEVANT BIBLIOGRAPHY

  1. Vardiman, Larry. “The sands of time: a biblical model of deep sea-floor sedimentation.” Creation Research Society Quarterly 33.3 (1996): 191-198. Modern evolutionism requires that the earth be very old. One line of evidence cited is the length of time required to deposit the observed thickness of sea-floor sediments far from any direct continental source. Using the low current depositional rates results in a minimum age of tens of millions of years. The model of deposition presented in this paper differs from the conventional model primarily in the rate of deposition, which is asserted to have peaked at an enormous level during and after the biblical Flood and is presumed to have fallen at an exponential rate to the present low level. Because biblical evidence strongly supports a short historical period between the Flood and the present, the shape of the decay curve is very steep. Data from the Deep-Sea Drilling Project (DSDP) were reinterpreted for this paper. By estimating the thickness of sediment corresponding to this interval and asserting a set of boundary conditions, an analytical model is presented that estimates the age of sediment from a particular depth at a given borehole If the modern evolutionary model of deposition is correct, the water temperature evidenced by fossils would show only small, random variations. If a catastrophic event such as the Flood occurred, temporary warming of the water immediately after the catastrophe should have occurred and may be detectable. Fossil evidence of water temperature at the time of deposition is believed by some researchers to correlate with the ratio of oxygen isotopes of mass 16 and 18. Because foraminifera are common in both present-day and ancient sediments and contain oxygen in their carbonate skeletal remains, they are often analyzed for the oxygen isotope ratio and an inferred water temperature is calculated. Based on DSDP data from selected boreholes, and plotted on a timescale modified by the analytical model derived in this paper, a general cooling trend appears plausible from the limited dataset.
  2. THE BOOK: Stallings, W. Joseph. The Genesis Cataclysm: Proposing a Noahic Global Flood within an Old-Earth Scriptural Paradigm. Wipf and Stock Publishers, 2020.

3. Chepalyga, Andrei L. “The late glacial great flood in the Ponto-Caspian basin.” The Black Sea Flood Question: Changes in Coastline, Climate, and Human Settlement. Springer, Dordrecht, 2007. 119-148. Evidence from geology, lithology, paleontology, and geomorphology reflecting the Great Eurasian Floods in the Ponto-Caspian basin is discussed. These flood events (17 to 10 ky BP) left traces on coastal plains (marine transgressions), in river valleys (superfloods) and on watersheds (thermokarst lakes) and slopes. The linkage of marine and lacustrine water bodies formed the Cascade of Eurasian Basins (the Vorukashah Sea) extending from the Aral to the Marmara Sea. It included various current and former spillways (Uzboi, Manych-Kerch, Bosphorus, and Dardanelles), covered as much as 1.5 million km2 , contained a combined water volume of about 700,000 km3 , and maintained a salinity of between 5 and 10‰. At the peak of the flood, sea level in the Caspian basin reached 190 to 200 m above the level of the previous basin. The flood’s history may be divided into 10 oscillations (each lasting 500–600 years), which may be grouped into three superflood waves that have been identified in river valleys, each lasting as long as 2000 years. Such dramatic changes in sea level must have imposed substantial stresses upon coeval human populations, and the inundations probably remained in cultural memory as the Great Flood. These events might have stimulated the beginning of shipping, as well as horse domestication.

3. Tompkins, J. P., David W. Daniels, and James JS Johnson. “Extensive Messianic Prophecy Corruptions and Flood-Related Chronology Errors Disqualify the Septuagint (LXX) as a Reliable Source for Creationist Research.” Creation Research Society Quarterly 56 (2019): 40-47. There has recently been an interest in the creation science community to promote what is today called the Septuagint (LXX), a controversial Greek translation of the Old Testament that also contains the noncanonical Apocrypha. The recent reason for doing so, it appears, is that the LXX can be used as a justification for an expanded biblical history, both before and after the Flood. Ironically, the LXX reports erroneous chronology data that, if true, would require Methuselah to have survived the Flood (in addition to the 8 historical survivors) by about 14 years—and no LXX advocate has offered a forensically reliable remedy to this error. Meanwhile, as complicated chronological/genealogical arguments have waged back and forth between proponents and opponents, the “elephant in the room” is the pervasive textual corruption that clearly exists in what is today called the LXX, which renders it a forensically unreliable text-source. Contrary to claims that that the LXX closely follows the Masoretic Hebrew outside of a few chronological differences, the LXX (in its variant forms) often differs significantly from the providentially preserved Hebrew text of the Old Testament. Our analysis of key Messianic prophecies in the LXX, compared to the Hebrew, reveals a disturbing trend of textual corruption. This preliminary study will show that five pivotal Old Testament Messianic prophecies have been severely altered in the LXX, so as to remove their otherwise clear prophetic connection to the New Testament mission and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ. We propose that these LXX corruptions were introduced during the late 1st Century AD (at the earliest), with further corruptions being added in later centuries, most likely by Messiah-rejecting Jews and/or by Scripture-altering pseudo-Christian Alexandrian scribes.

4. THOMAS, BRIAN. “ACTS & FACTS BACK TO GENESIS DINOSAURS.” Over a decade ago, paleontologist Dr. Mary Schweitzer accidentally discovered soft tissues preserved inside dinosaur bone.1 While examining the bone structure from an incompletely fossilized T. rex nicknamed “B. rex,” she came upon what appeared to be blood vessels and blood cells on her microscope slides. In an interview years later, she recalled, “I looked at this and I looked at this and I thought, this can’t be. Red blood cells don’t preserve.” Evolutionary scientists have had a very difficult time fitting this evidence into a neo-Darwinian framework. After the soft tissues were verified, creation scientists interpreted them as confirmation of a young earth. “Evidence of hemoglobin, and the still-recognizable shapes of red blood cells, in unfossilized dinosaur bone is powerful testimony against the whole idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago,” Creation magazine reported. Of course, questioning the paradigm of eons of time seems nonsensical to most scientists because “geologists have established that the Hell Creek Formation, where B. rex was found, is 68 million years old, and so are the bones buried in it.”2 However, this appeal to authority ignores the possibility that the geologists themselves “established” this age based not on science, but on assumptions of millions of years of earth history, the authority of the biologists who date fossils based on their alleged evolutionary path, and the veracity of the geologic column itself, which was defined in the 19th century, prior to the accumulation of 90 percent of current geologic data. The belief that “millions of years” is established fact seems here to trump the empirical evidence that biomolecules should not last longer than 100,000 years. One resilient biomolecule found in many fossils, including B. rex, is collagen. However, “in bones, hydrolysis [breakdown] of the main protein component, collagen, is even more rapid and little intact collagen remains after only 1-3×104 [10,000 to 30,000] years, except in bones in cool or dry depositional environmnents.” With a lifespan of 30,000 or so years, collagen should not exist in a 68-million-year-old sample. To get around this, some evolutionary scientists challenge the measured molecular decay rates. “Schweitzer’s work is ‘showing us we really don’t understand decay,'” paleontologist Thomas Holtz said in Smithsonian magazine.2 But even allowing 100,000 years for collagen longevity, perhaps due to superior preservation, this is still only 1/680th of B. rex’s assumed age. It would seem that the natural preservation of collagen for 68 million years would have required a miracle on the same scale as creation. A new possible solution was published in July 2008. Researchers took electron micrographs of the “soft tissues,” and concluded that they are bacterial secretions called “biofilms.”5 Though this is possible, the weight of evidence still seems to favor the interpretation that they are genuine dinosaurian tissue. First, collagen protein sequence data is not a bacterial product, but “colleagues at Harvard successfully sequenced the dinosaur protein that Schweitzer had extracted from the tissue, identifying the amino acids and confirming that the material from the T. rex was collagen. ‘From a paleo standpoint, sequence data really is the nail in the coffin that confirms the preservation of these tissues,’ Schweitzer says.” Second, as Dr. Schweitzer pointed out for National Geographic, no biofilms have been observed with hollow, branching tubes. Third, biofilms would have been thicker at the bottom, pulled down by gravity.7 And fourth, the flimsy biofilms themselves could never have retained the shape of the original dinosaur blood vessels, to which they allegedly conformed, for 68 million years. Not only should the unfossilized bone and its collagen have turned to dust long ago, but there should certainly be no vestige of blood vessels, or even bacterial slime still shaped like vessels. These tissues remain a pesky enigma for long-age thinking, but they fit right in with the young world viewpoint that an unbiased Bible reader would understand.

5. NCSE: National Center for Science Education: LINK: https://ncse.ngo/yes-noahs-flood-may-have-happened-not-over-whole-earth ABSTRACT: If the 3.4-meter–thick layer of flood deposits in southeastern Mesopotamia (MacDonald 1988) represents a huge flood of ancient times, and if it is the remnants of the one described in the early Babylonian epics, then the authors of these epics were likely survivors who lived in a village on natural levees on the lower parts of either the Euphrates or Tigris Rivers where the flood waters covered their village, natural levees, and adjacent flood plains for distances of 160 to 320 kilometers so that no land could be seen, and their “whole world” would have been under water.

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The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth. The Qur’an (Suras 11 and 71) has almost a duplicate story with a similar huge boat that transported animals and a worldwide flood. In addition two older stories exist in ancient Babylonian epics that describe a huge flood. One is the Epic of Gilgamesh, describing a flood on the Euphrates River (Academy of Ancient Texts nd). The other is the Epic of Atrahasis, which has a huge flood on the Tigris River (Byers nd).

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, [Utnapishtim] is warned that a god plans to destroy all humanity and is told to build a ship to save himself, his family, friends, and cattle. In the Epic of Atrahasis, a tribal chief survived with his family by floating in a boat down to the Persian Gulf. After the flood subsided, the chief got out on dry land and erected an altar and sacrificed to a water god so that such a flood would not happen again (Anonymous nd-a). Noah also built an altar when he got off the Ark and offered sacrifices (Genesis 8:20). Because these stories all describe an ancient huge flood in Mesopotamia, it is extremely likely that a huge flood could have occurred. However, the next question is: “Did the Noachian Flood cover the whole earth?”

Scientific Evidence Against a Whole-Earth Flood
The Bible says that the rains that created the Noachian Flood lasted for 40 days (Genesis 7:17), that the waters prevailed on the earth for 150 days (Genesis 7:24), and after these 150 days the waters gradually receded from the earth so that by the seventh month and the seventeenth day, Noah’s Ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat (Genesis 8:4). A year plus two months and twenty-seven days later the earth was dry enough so that Noah,his family, and the load of animals could disembark from the Ark (Genesis 8:14).

Because this flood was intended by God to destroy all flesh on earth (Genesis 6:13) and because sedimentary rocks on all continents contain fossils that supposedly represent the “destroyed flesh of all life,” it might be thought that the Bible story, describing a wholeearth flood, was true. However, interlayered with these fossil-bearing sedimentary rocks on all continents are layers of evaporite rock salt (sodium chloride), gypsum (hydrated calcium sulfate), anhydrite (calcium sulfate), and various potash and magnesium salts, which are associated with red beds (shales) containing fossilized mud cracks (Schreiber and others 2007).

Many of these mineral compounds and red beds have combined thicknesses on different continents of more than one kilometer (~3,281 feet) (Collins 2006). The red beds are red because they contain red hematite (iron oxide) which formed from magnetite grains that were oxidized while the muds were exposed to oxygen in open air. The mud cracks can form only under drying conditions that cause the mud to shrink and form polygonal cracks. The evaporite mineral compounds in the layers are deposited in the correct chemical order predicted by the solubility of each kind of ion in these compounds and whose increasing concentrations during the evaporation of water would cause them to precipitate in a predictable depositional sequence as the water volume decreased. Such evaporite deposits would be expected to occur where a marine sea was once present and to disappear when the sea became completely dry. Therefore, one could expect these evaporites to be at the top of the supposed Noachian Flood deposits when the water supposedly receded and the land dried out, but certainly not in different levels in between older and younger fossiliferous “Flood deposits”.

We read in the Bible that there is only one time in which the Flood waters are said to recede and leave the earth dry. That is, no multiple worldwide climatic conditions are described in which flooding, then drying to a dry earth, more flooding, more drying to a dry earth, in repeated cycles that occur over and over again in that Flood year. On that basis, it is logical that all the kinds of evaporite deposits and red beds in many different levels in the supposed Noachian Flood deposits could form only in local climates with desert drying-conditions and could not possibly have formed all at the same time — a time when a flood covered the whole earth for more than one year (Collins 2006). On that basis, the Noachian Flood story cannot describe a whole-earth flood, but it could only represent a large regional flood.

Regional Evidence for the Noachian and Similar Floods
Two rivers, the Euphrates and Tigris flow through Mesopotamia, which is now the country of Iraq (Figure 1). There are several layers in exposed rocks near these two rivers in southeastern Mesopotamia (Iraq) that are likely flood deposits. Most are about a foot (0.3 m) thick, but one is as much as 3 meters thick (MacDonald 1988). Flood debris from this same thick deposit along the Euphrates River near the ancient Sumerian city of Shuruppak about 200 km southeast of Baghdad has been dated by the C14 method, giving an age of 2900 BCE (Best nd). Flood deposits 2.4 meters feet thick are also reported by MacDonald (1988) as far northeast as the ancient Babylonian city of Kish (120 km south of Baghdad). At any rate, the many flood-deposit layers show that flooding in southeastern Mesopotamia was not unusual in ancient times.

Figure 1. Map of Mesopotamia (Iraq).
Figure 1. Map of Mesopotamia (Iraq).

Similar large local floods are common throughout history around the world. For example, monsoon storms in Bangladesh frequently produce much rain over the country and in the Himalaya Mountains, which rise in the northern part of the country (Anonymous nd-b). Runoff of water from the rain and melting snow during such storms create great floods in four rivers that converge to the Wang River, which then drains into a huge delta in the Bay of Bengal (Anonymous nd-b). Thousands of people have been drowned in this delta region by many such floods during the last century. Almost every culture through history has a flood story to tell, as would the people in Bangladesh, but in each of these times and places, the floods would have been local and not worldwide.

Many creationists have pointed out that the Bible indicates that God promised not to cause another huge flood to occur and, therefore, there cannot be any floods that are similar to the Noachian Flood (Genesis 9:13–15). Therefore, the geological record should show at least one unique flood event that is different from all the large regional floods for which there is geological evidence.

Why Was the Local Large Flood Possible?
Storms that occur in Mesopotamia usually come from the Mediterranean Sea, cross the mountains in Syria, Turkey, and western Iran, move southeasterly over Mesopotamia to the Persian Gulf, and then exit in the Gulf of Oman. The Euphrates and Tigris Rivers that would transport water from these storms leave higher land in northern Mesopotamia and enter a nearly flat area about 130 km north of Baghdad. In this 130-km interval the gradients of these rivers are small, with the elevation dropping about 3 m per km along the course of the rivers. Both the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers near Baghdad have elevations of about 30 m above sea level, and at the city of As Samawah (280 km south of Baghdad), the Euphrates River has an elevation of 9 m (a drop in elevation of 21 m) (NOAA nd). A similar 21-meter drop occurs along the Tigris River. On that basis, the gradients of the two rivers in these intervals are 0.075 m per km. In the additional 360 km to the Persian Gulf (sea level) the gradients are only about 0.025 m per km. Therefore, in both southeastern and central Mesopotamia the gradients are so low that the rivers barely flow downhill, and frequent flooding could be common.

A large river has natural levees. During a big storm, water rushing down the channel carries abundant sedimentary debris. If the water in the channel overflows its banks onto the adjacent flood plain, the velocity immediately slows because of friction with the flat land, and the water at lower speed cannot carry its entire load of sediment. Heavier coarser particles are deposited abruptly on tops of the banks adjacent to the river while finer silts and clay particles are transported onto the flood plain. When such overflowing floods are repeated year after year, the coarser sediments deposited adjacent to the river build up natural levees on both sides of the channel. Natural levees along the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers rise up to 4 to 5 meters above the river channels, and the surface of these levees slope gently away from the rivers for 5 to 8 km toward lower, adjacent, nearly-flat flood plains that are up to 105 km wide (Tactical Pilotage Chart TPC G-4C, H-6A, and H-6B). The people living in Mesopotamia in biblical times would have had their villages on the natural levees because the flood plains would have been swampy.

What Happened During the Flood?
The watershed for the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers on which the flood could have occurred extends for more than 1600 km from the Persian Gulf through Mesopotamia into Syria and Turkey and laterally for about 1000 km from eastern Saudi Arabia to southwestern Iran — an area of more than 1.6 million square kilometers. On that basis, if abundant rain fell, not only in the mountains of Syria and Turkey, but also in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the tributary streams from these countries would all contribute their volumes of water to the flood plains of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers (Figure 2).

Figure 2. Map showing elevation contours around the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers that extend NW-SE through Mesopotamia.Figure 2. Map showing elevation contours around the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers that extend NW-SE through Mesopotamia.

Normally, in lesser storms most water runoff would have come primarily from the mountains in Syria and Turkey and not also from Saudi Arabia and Iran. During the flood, upstream where water first accumulates, the depth of water on the flood plains may be barely over the tops of the natural levees, but downstream the water “piles up” because it does not flow very fast downhill on a nearly flat surface. Therefore, downstream water depths could reach 32 m or more above the tops of the levees.

This increase in depth would be intensified where the two flood plains with a width of 275 km in the northern section would be squeezed into a 220-km width in the lower part of the drainage system where the two rivers join. The joining of the two rivers would also increase the volume of the water in the flood plains, thereby increasing the depth. At any rate, all higher land on the natural levees where the people in the villages were present would be completely submerged. Thus, it would be possible for a flood to have occurred in mid- Mesopotamia, perhaps about 2900 BCE, as evidenced by the scientifically dated flood deposits.

Remnant Evidence of the Flood
When the huge storm ceased that caused the flood, there would have been huge lakes, and it could have taken months to drain the water in these lakes into the gulf — which could easily explain why the Noachian Flood took so long to recede (as much as one year, according to Genesis 8:14). Evidence for this poor drainage can be seen in the present-day lakes in the flood plains. Lake Hawr al Hammar is 32 km wide and more than 80 km long, lies on the flood plain of the Euphrates River west of Basra, and several other large lakes are on flood plains adjacent to the Tigris River (for example, Hawr as Sa’diya and Hawr as Saniyalt). The poor drainage would be caused by the fact that the water covering the flood plains would have no channel through which to flow, would not flow uphill over the sloping natural levees to re-enter the river channels, and the slopes of the bottoms of the lakes would have been nearly flat with gradients toward the gulf of 0.025 to 0.075 meters per kilometer.

Effects of the Curvature of the Earth
Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water,would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.

Northeast and southwest of the nearly flat surface that contains the two rivers, the topography rises to more than 455 m in Saudi Arabia and in Iran. Calculations show that elevations of 455 m high cannot be seen beyond 86 km away, and these places are more than 160 km from the Euphrates or Tigris Rivers. Therefore, none of the high country in Saudi Arabia or Iran would be visible to a tribal chief (or Noah). On that basis, the “whole world” would definitely appear to be covered with water during the Flood, and that was the “whole world” for the people in this part of southeastern Mesopotamia at that time.

18 Responses to "NOAA’S ARK"

fixed a few typos 4:30pm Thai time Sunday March 15, 2020

Great title. That U.S. agency, of course, has NOAA Gender.

Thank you sir. The point being that climate change is a religion.

Undoubtedly. I assume you got my pun: NOAA has an agenda, just like NASA-GISS.

Yes sir. Thank you again.

i didn’t get the pun the first time around but when alerted i did
sorry, not a native english speaker
just something i learned in high school (from falang teachers)

Very similar arguments apply to the fear-mongering about Virus19 – comment from Ganymede Services

Thank you very much for that succinct insight.

I agree.

Mark. Do you know tony carey? A very active, well known and well respected critic of agw in ireland.

No, I don’t. Does he have a website?

Not sure. I will ask.

I don’t knoaa about all that. 😉

No I don’t a website but I am happy to share alternative points of view with all & sundry – eg my position on this virus panic that there would not be a panic if the only reaction was that people with symptoms of it would retire to bed and only contact their doctors or emergency services if very unwell. Happy health to all, Tony

This is excellent! But my question is, if the WAIS melts and covers the earth to the highest mountain tops, where will it subside to? 😄

Good point, sir. So many questions. So few answers.

On the other hand do the parallels between climate science and God support their case or does it discredit their case?

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